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Catskill, New York 08
After a couple of weeks off, see May 2008 , the SFBI team is back on the road! We started this current multi-state expedition in Catskill, New York. Tom Biscardi received a phone call from a Patricia Williams in New York. Patricia was very upset and frightened about seeing a creature in her backyard! She explained that this creature was coming into her yard and stealing her pet pig's food from the pen. Patricia's mother, Carrol Medici, thought it might be better to try and befriend this creature, so the two ladies began putting food out for it near the pig's pen. The creature, has been coming back every night now for several weeks.
Tom was intrigued and called upon some of our associates on the East Coast. He contacted our good friends the "Squatch_Detective" Steve Kulls and our long time friend and associate, Becky Sawyer. Tom asked them to drive out and do some preliminary investigation for us, before committing the SFBI team to a three thousand mile expedition.
Steve picked up Becky and they drove out to Patricia's Catskill home within two hours of Tom's phone call! After meeting with Patricia and her family, Steve exercised his extensive interviewing skills, while Becky did a primary search of the area. After several hours, they called Tom back with the news! Both Steve and Becky felt that the Patricia and her family had been having some unusual experiences that were quite possibly the result of a visit from a creature.
Steve shared that his interviews indicated that it was very probable that all of the family had been telling the truth as they believed it. Becky went even further and shared that she found what may have been a foot print and a possible bedding area in the near by woods! As the Steve and Becky researched more fully, they both said they had even heard heavy foot falls in the woods from, what they believed to be, a large bipedal animal! They also both shared with Tom that they actually saw a large shadow running between some large trees in the area!!
This confirmation from our trusted colleagues was enough to warrant the deployment of the SFBI rapid response capture team. Tom assembled the team and we were on the road before the week was out! The crew for this expedition was TJ Biscardi, Brian Mazzola, JC Johnson, Leonard Dan, and myself; Java-Bob. Tom Biscardi Sr. who was tied up with some corporate business, was unable come along with us, but would be meeting us out there within 8 hours of our arrival.
Once on site, we spent a couple of hours getting to know our hosts and general area we would be investigating. We began with a general overview of the area.
Although the area was very rural and heavily wooded, it appeared to be reasonably well populated, with homes dispersed through out. At first glance, it seemed to be an unlikely place to have a creature come back to visit, almost nightly! I could see a migratory animal passing through once in a great while, but not hanging around. We made the decision to walk the perimeter of the approximate four acer lot and see what we could find. Within just a few minutes of hiking, we found our explanation.
As our previous research has taught us, these creatures tend to travel and migrate through low lands and river bottoms. Staying in the bottom areas, where the cover is densest, and traveling only at night, they can remain hidden from view and are free to travel through lightly populated areas with little fear of ever being seen!
Sure enough, we found that there was a small creek on the back of the property that lead to a larger creek bottom that dropped into the Hudson River drainage. All through very dense under growth and without having to cross any roads or open areas! A perfect "hidden highway system"!
The story was that the creature would come up through the back of the property, (from the creek areas), and then remain in the trees for a while before coming to the back of the pig pen. There, it would come over to the side of the pen and reach inside to grab food. Mostly the bread and rolls that the Patricia's family would drop in as a treat for "Charlotte", their pet pig.
Everything was falling into place. The team had met all of the people involved and it was clear to all of us that they believed everything they shared with us... They told us that they had all seen this creature, even a baby creature along with it. Patricia, her seven year old daughter Alexa, and even "Grandma" Carrol had all see these creatures! It was time for the hard work to begin!
It was time for the team to attempt to find the evidence that might verify this story. We began by setting up trip cameras through out the woods, in areas that we suspect would be where the creature might travel to get to the food. We also set up infa-red recording cameras that would allow us to remotely monitor and record any activity throughout the long night ahead of us. We checked out all of our night vision equipment and deployed the team in strategic areas to monitor the entire area of operations.
The team placed cameras in stratigic places through out the area. They put up the IR equipment in areas that monitored the yard as well as in specific areas such as the pig pen and feeding areas. Now we waited for Tom Biscardi Sr. to arrive. Steve Kulls and Becky Sawyer were picking Tom up at the airport in Albany, New York and bringing him directly to the investigation site.
Patricia had told us that she heard the creature moving around in the woods behind the house, so she threw a rock towards the sounds... In just a moment, the rock came flying back! Then she picked up her son's football and threw it towards the sounds as well... Once again, the football came flying back too! Patricia explained that she doesn't fear the creature, but is simply fascinated by her experiences with it. She tells us that even her daughter has seen it. Her daughter, Alexa is only seven years old and has seen the creature while looking out of her bedroom window. Alexa is not as comfortable about the creature being in her back yard. Alexa tells me that "...it scares me because it is so big!".
We monitored the situation throughout the night and did not see or hear anything unusual. We did film a very large raccoon removing food from the pig's pen and several cats taking food from the areas where food had been set out for the creatures, but no signs of the creature. We do find that the area may be suitable for a creature and that the eye witness accounts are credible, but we could not verify anything at this time. It is conceivable that our presence was enough to keep the creatures away for the evening. Our associates in the area will continue to monitor the situation and we will stay in touch with Patricia and her family. Hopefully, we will be able to get some tangible evidence from this site in the very near future! In the mean time, we are moving out to an area in North Carolina where a man tells us he can guarantee that we will see a creature! We will keep you all informed of what we find, and we will continue to monitor this site in New York.
Phillip MorrisOn the way to North Carolina to meet with Tom Burnette, the man who claims to have a skull from a baby "Bigfoot", we stopped in to meet with Phillip Morris. Phillip Morris is one of the largest makers and distributors of costumes in the United States. As it turned out, Tom Biscardi and Phillip Morris have several mutual friends in the entertainment business and had many fascinating stories to share with the rest of the SFBI team!
Meeting Mr. Morris was one of this writers most enjoyable experiences. He is truly a living legend. He opened his warehouse for us and let us see some of the most exciting works of art and moving making history I have ever seen! He is a man of passion with a truly artistic talent that makes him unique among all of the people I have ever met!
A picture is worth a thousand words... so I will simply show a few pictures of Mr. Morris's work and you will understand the artistic ability and passion of this unique man!
Needless to say, our team was fascinated with all of the wonderful costumes and props that have been manufactured by Mr. Morris's talented team of artists and crafts people. There were wonderful surprises every where we looked!
Of course, Mr. Morris is a very successful business man as well as a talented artist. He gave us a quick tour of his enormous warehouse, from which he ships most of the costumes we see at Halloween each year. All in all, we all enjoyed our short visit and appreciated the opportunity to meet such a talented, interesting, and outgoing man!
Old Fort NC-08The Searching for Bigfoot team met a man named Tom Burnette through our radio show, Bigfoot Live Radio Show, (www.bigfootliveradioshow.com). Mr. Burnette has written a book titled Nature's Secret Agents. The book is a fascinating journal of his experience on his property in Old Fort, North Carolina. The book chronicles Mr. Burnette's experiences from August, 1991 through April of 1994. The following is a quote from the prologue of that book;
surrounded me were too unbelievable and almost unrealistic for
myself or anyone else for that matter to comprehend or understand.
I quite simply was in the right place at the right time,
or the wrong place at the wrong time. I really never thought of
myself as a writer, just a man with one hell of a story which borders
on the edge of real life science fiction.
I swear on a sacred oath that the events you are about to read are true,
and they were as real to me as the sunshining..."
Mr. Burnette lives by himself on over 100 acres of deep forest land, backed up by a watershed and wilderness area. He had set up a small cabin for us to stay in, but it was not quite finished when we got there. The electricity did not work and there was no running water or bathroom facilities. However, we were thankful for the shelter and we were prepared for a much more primitive environment.
Once at the make shift camp, we met Mr. Burnette. Mr. Burnette, (Tom), is a physically fit and fluent individual who seems to prefer his life out in the woods to a life in the midst of a city and all the trappings that come with city life. He welcomed us to his world and did all he could to make us comfortable.
After "breaking bread" with our host and getting to know each other, we started to have Mr. Burnette answer questions about his experiences from his book. The book chronicles his experiences with "Bigfoot" type creatures that live on and around his property. His earliest experiences were simple ones. He began by noticing foot prints of different sizes in several areas around his property. Following some of the practices of other local people who like to watch bears in the area, he began putting out food for these creatures. He would put out food and knock on a nearby tree to see if he could "train" them to recognize when he set the food out. Soon, individual animals and even small groups of the creatures were coming out to the areas he was leaving food.
The regularity of the visits was beginning to concern him. They seemed to begin to get more and more demanding for their feedings and it began to worry Tom Burnette. He was unsure of what might happen if he stopped feeding them!
It would seem that Mr. Burnette had created his own monster, in a sense. He wanted to show these creatures that he was friendly and not a threat to them, so that he might live in harmony along side of them without fear of them. However, now he was afraid that if he should suddenly stop feeding them, they might be angered and therefore a physical threat to him!
Of course, we have not covered all of the details of this transition, but they are all spelled out in his book, Nature's Secret Agents.
In another part of the book, Mr. Burnette tells about an infant "Bigfoot" that was left in a field. He tells us that he believes that the infant was in danger of being killed by a dominant male to help bring the mother back into estrous. He, (Tom Burnette), suspects that the mother, knowing that Tom feeds them, may have left the infant in his, (Tom's) care to protect and feed it. However, his, (Tom's) instinct was to attempt to return it to the mother. He placed it in a field near where he found it, in hopes that the mother would return and claim it.
Unfortunately, the infant did not survive and was dead in a short time. Mr. Burnette did save the skull and claims to have it in his possession to this day. This story is explained in detail in his book as well.
Our team was intrigued and set about to find anything we could to verify any or all of these amazing stories. We searched for signs all through the nearby woods and stream beds. We tried to view the skull, but unfortunately, Tom Burnette explained to us that it had been sent out for DNA analysis and had not been returned yet. Neither had the anticipated DNA results. He did, however, call the DNA house and allowed Tom Biscardi to talk to someone there. Mr. Biscardi asked that they email us a digital picture of the skull and they agreed. Unfortunately, they never sent any pictures to Mr. Biscardi or anyone else at Searching for Bigfoot Inc.
We set out food for the creatures in several areas and set up trip cameras to see if we could catch what ever might be eating the food left at each area. We did get pictures back of smaller animals such as porcupines, raccoons, rodents, and birds eating the food, but no creatures. We heard and saw some black bears around the camp site, attracted by the smells coming from our camp stoves, but no creatures. We searched for miles in every direction looking for prints that might suggest that a "bigfoot" type creature may be in the area, but unfortunately we found no conclusive tracks. We did find a track or two near the stream that could possibly be interpreted as man like, but they were not conclusive. We did find many signs and tracks from bears in the area.
We did hear loud "wood on wood" sounds one evening. There were two loud bangs, then nothing. In a heavily wooded area like this, these types of sounds can be attributed to large branches falling through the forest canopy and hitting other branches. It has been our experience that "tree knocking" is a form of communication for these creatures and is seldom done without a reply. With just two quick bangs, we cannot say that this is actually "tree knocking".
As much as we wanted to be able to verify any of the information shared with us by Tom Burnette, we were not able to do so at this time. Mr. Burnette's stories and encounters seem to be authentic and had an air of truth about them, but unfortunately, we were not able to verify them during this visit.
Our plan was to stay for at least a week, but we got a call from another area and with no verifiable signs of any creatures after four full days of investigation, we made the decision to move on. We will attempt to go back again after we get the results back from the DNA house. We need to make certain that we leave no stone unturned.
I recommend that you get the book and read it yourself. The stories that Tom Burnette chronicles in his writings have a ring of truth to them and I am quite sure that he truly believes all that he has shared with us. Unfortunately, we were unable to verify anything at his particular time. Read the book and make up your own mind... in the mean time, we will keep on SEARCHING FOR BIGFOOT and share with you what we find... as we find it... and when we find it...!
Micah has been studying and writing about all things paranormal since he was a young boy and has involved with many varied shows on radio, television, and articles written around the world. Micah has a website worth visiting if you haven't already, called the Gralienreport. You can find it at:
Micah's brother, Caleb Hanks is an world adventure as well. Caleb and Micah also play together in a "Bluegrass" band called Buncombe Turnpike. You can learn more about that fresh and rocking band at:
The brothers learned that Tom and the Searching for Bigfoot team was in town and agreed to come out and meet us at the sight of our current expedition in Old Fort North Carolina. As always, it was great to see our friends and share ideas and stories. We shared the day and caught up on the latest escapades of our two talented and energetic friends. Take the time to check out their websites and enjoy their work.
Janice's website: http://www.bigfootreferenceguide.com/
Janice became a household name after the National Geographic television special introduced her to the American audience. In their special, they depicted Janice talking to a "Bigfoot" who she called "FOX". In the television version, FOX came to Janice's door to ask for garlic. This short episode,
painted a picture of Janice as an eccentric and possibly off balance individual. According to Janice, there were several hours of footage taken, but only the most damaging and misleading footage was aired.
The Searching for Bigfoot team came to Tennessee to meet this woman and see for themselves what she is about. This turned out to be one of our most memorable and educational experiences to date! We are going to share our experience with you as best as we can.
It started out simply enough, we arrived at Janice's home around noon. Janice came out and greeted us.. she introduced us to her "family" including her beautiful daughter Holly, her husband Tom, her room mates and fellow researchers Violet and Violet's husband Steve. She gave us a quick tour of her place and arranged places for us to set up our sleeping quarters. We spent just a short while with "small talk" and then she began giving us, what we referred to as "Bigfoot 101"! She began sharing what she had learned over a lifetime of living with or near a family of "Bigfoot". She told us of things that we never would have expected.
At first we were taken back by her bold and matter of fact approach, but as she talked we began to realize that she is a lucid and intelligent woman who made a lot of sense once we got past the initial shock of what she told us. The first statement she made to us that was a great shock, was that these creatures have a language! Not just any language, but they actually spoke English!
As you can imagine, we were shocked by this bold statement...! However, she then began to explain how to listen to the sounds they made and the inflections in the voices. She used the "Sierra sounds" as examples of sounds that the creatures make. She explained that she chose those sounds because they were collected many years earlier and not by anyone affiliated with her or her organization. This way, no one could say that she faked the sounds we were listening to. We listened to the sounds intently, but we only heard gibberish. Janice began teaching us to slow down the sounds in our heads and listen more closely... We all tried again. To our amazement, we all began hearing words we could understand! It was like starring at those pictures that were popular a few years back, you know, the ones where you would star at them for a moment or two and let your eyes relax. Once your eyes got relaxed you began to see different things in the picture... like dolphins or whales.
I don't know how to explain it, but all of us began to be able to hear English sounding words in the previously un-recognizable gibberish! After only a couple of hours of listening, this woman had captured our interest and complete attention!
You can go to one of Janice's affiliate sites and hear some of these clips yourself. You need to listen very closely and slow down the words in your head, but with a little practice, you may hear the words as well. Try this link, it will open in another window and you will need to use your browser's back button to return to this site; http://www.bigfootreferenceguide.com/showthread.php?t=87
Next, Janice began explaining to us about some of their communication methods, including symbols and drawings. She shared a rock drawing she recently found near a horse trail to illustrate her beliefs.
The next morning we headed out to an area where Janice felt we could find and talk to some of her "friends". We also should be able to find and read some more rock drawings. We headed off into the woods and passed through a gated area. This began our five mile hike through the woods.
A close inspection of the new rock drawings we found could not clearly show us anything definitive enough to answer our questions. We were hard pressed to think that the markings were anything more than scrapes on the surface of the base rock, possibly caused by equipment used to abate the fire hazard in the area. Equipment such as brush hogs or mowers could easily scuff and scratch the surface of the large rocks in the area.
Unfortunately, we were not able to locate her "friends" in the area either. There was no conversation or contact of any kind this day. However, being seasoned researchers, we understand that not everyday is going to be a productive day and we remained optimistic.
Janice was disappointed and made one last attempt to bring us to an area where we might make contact with the creatures, before calling it a night. We headed off to an area where she believed a more aggressive group lived. It was dark when we arrived and we hiked about in the woods for about an hour or more, with no success, before heading back to Janice's house. Tomorrow is another day and we were still very optimistic. Sleep came easily after our all day hike and morning came around all too soon.
The following day, we headed off to a place where Janice had brought a large group of people to meet her "friends" in the past. We were once again told we would be able to call them out and that Janice would be able to converse with them as we watched and listened.
This time, we ended up in a large meadow like area, surrounded by deep woods. The area seemed ideal for a large animal to habitat. There was plenty of wild foods available, lots of deep cover, plenty of fresh running water, and hundreds of acres of un-occupied land to roam.
Once again, no luck. Janice shared several stories with us about the many sightings and encounters. One of the stories she shared told of an attempted shooting of one of the creatures. She told us that a police report had been filed on it and the people involved. Of course we wanted to verify all that we were seeing and hearing about, so we decided to drive into the city the next day and see if we could get a copy of the police report. Once there, we had the clerk at the courthouse search the records for the report, but they could find nothing on file. Janice remembered the name of one of the police officers who responded, so we decided to try to look him up and talk to him. We headed for a gas station to get a phone book and try to locate him. Believe it or not, the officer was in the gas station we stopped at. I got a chance to talk to him myself, but unfortunately he was not able to recall anything about the incident. He told me that he might have been called out on it, but back then (6 years earlier), he would have been a rookie and only called out as back up but he did not remember anything about it.
I was a little surprised, I would have thought that a rookie police officer called out to investigate a possible shooting of a "Bigfoot" would have remembered it! My only conclusions were that either there was no incident or that the officer was not willing to discuss it. To make a long story short, we were not able to verify this story at this time.
Still not discouraged, we planned another day in the field to attempt to call in a creature. This was our last chance to verify the information we had learned about. Once again we spent the day in the woods... even visiting Janice's old farm. The place she had first become involved with the family of creatures she knew so well. Once again, we had no luck. We had spent nearly a week with Janice and seen many unusual things in the woods. We had learned of new ways to look at some of the things we had seen and heard in the past. It had broadened our perspective about the entire subject, but it has also raised more questions than it has answered. We come away with an open mind and open eyes, but still not able to fully grasp or test what we have learned.
We find that the people who work closely with Janice seem to follow her teaching with an almost religious fervor and have an entirely different perspective about these creatures than do many of us. We have not been able to clearly verify all that Janice has taught us, but we are now open to learning more about her ideas.
We are all thankful for the opportunity to meet this wonderful lady and to learn about her ideas and experiences. We walk away with our minds and hearts open and feel that we not only have made a friend, but we have developed a new appreciation for another point of view.
We met Keith and his wonderful family on July 9th in the evening. He opened his home to us and filled us in on what he had been experiencing. We set up a camp in the woods behind his home and began our job.
Keith had been hearing calls, knocks, and breaking brush for several months. He told us that the activity was slowing way down in the past six weeks or so, but there was still occasional activity in the area.
We set up a camp behind his house and began our investigation. We set up trip cameras in the area, did some calls, and began tree knocking.
Steve Dismore of Kentucky... Helping us at Kentucky Lake
The lake near our camp
Our freshly caught fish cooking on the open camp fire
The tree snapped in the woods behind us! Notice the leaves haven't had time to turn up towards the sun!
The cleared area under the power lines and the berries and food items underneath those power lines!
That same evening, we got a frantic phone call from a man in Illinois who told us he was being harassed by a creature as we spoke! He pleaded with us to come out and help him with this situation as soon as we could! We decided that because Steve was there to continue our investigation at LBL and because the area was so vast and the chances of us making contact with the creature we knew was there was so slim, that it would make sense for us to head off in the morning to Illinois and see what we could do help! We packed up the trailer and made ready for an early morning exit.
While working with Steve Dismore in Kentucky's Land Between the Lakes, the Searching for Bigfoot team of Java_Bob, TJ Biscardi, Leonard Dan, and JC Johnson received a frantic phone call from Steve Weess of Seneca Illinois. Steve had been experiencing some very unusual and frightening things on his property there. He called to tell us that something was coming up from the woods behind his home and making loud screams at night. His pet cats were disappearing at night and he would find the bodies in the morning with the heads missing! What ever was doing it was getting even bolder and throwing rocks and sticks at his family... He told us he was prepared to shoot what ever it was if it came back that night!
The first thing we found was some of the old CRIP Seneca Railroad project!
It was clear that this was inhabited by humans at one time.
The team was very impressed with the area and the island of remoteness around Steve's property. Unfortunately, we were not able to verify the presence of a creature at this time. We will be keeping an eye on the area through Steve, Tylor, and Jay and may be back in the near future to continue our investigation. It was obvious to us that Steve, Tylor, and Jay are very serious about what has been happening in this area. We feel like we may not have found a creature on this trip, but we have found some new friends and researchers. We know that we have to "turn over a lot of rocks before we find a gem stone..." and that is what keeps us SEARCHING FOR BIGFOOT!!!
Before ending out multi state expedition, we had to bring our cinematographer, Brian Mazzola, back home to Portland Oregon. We decided to simply drive a little farther first, and visit some of Tom Biscardi's old friends. Friends that the rest of our team were very excited to meet! We overshot Oregon and headed up towards Yakama Washington, where we would be able to meet Pattie Patterson, the wife of Roger Patterson. Bob Heironimus, the man who claims to have worn a suit for Roger Patterson, and Bob Gimlin, the man who helped film the famous Patterson / Gimlin film of the late '60's.
Just a little taste of the beautiful scenery we got to see !
This beautiful stock '55 model 270 belongs to Bob Heironimus...
This modified '55 model 270 belongs to Bob's brother !...
We were thrilled to get to talk to Bob and meet his family. He made us feel very welcome and was a great host! They even baked and served us some home made brownies... (That were "to die for" !!!) Here is Bob and the team in his garage.. notice all the trophies on the wall!
Far left is Tom Biscardi, center is Bob Heironimus, next is TJ and Bob's brother...
Tom and Bob Heironimus and Tom and Bob's beautiful mother, Opal!
From Bob Heironimus' home, we drove around the block to visit with Pattie Patterson. Pattie is a wonderful and warm woman who welcomed us into her home. It was obvious to all of us that Tom Biscardi and Pattie were very close and considered each other as old and dear friends. Mrs. Patterson offered some old photos to Tom to be used in the upcoming Searching for Bigfoot museum, but asked us not to post the photos at this time. Of course, we will honor her wishes. We all talked for several hours and listened to Mrs. Patterson share some of the many stories she had heard from her famous husband, Roger Patterson.
We all felt very honored to be able to meet this woman and have here open her home to us. This truly was a once in a life time experience for me and for the team!
Mrs. Patterson, her "Yorkie" and Tom Biscardi...
After leaving the Patterson home, we headed back towards Bob Heironimus' street to meet with Bob Gimlin. Bob Gimlin, as it turned out, lives only nine houses down the street from Bob Heironimus and only a few blocks from the Patterson home. We had called the Gimlin home the day earlier to let them know we were coming. We were told that Bob was out on the coast dealing with some horses and he should be there today, so we were anxious to meet with him. Unfortunately, he was still not home when we got there. Tom left him his business card and we stopped back in with Bob Heironimus to say our good byes.
The Gimlin home, some doors down from the Heironimus home...
Tom invited the Mr. and Mrs. Heironimus to meet us for dinner at a local restaurant where we planned on meeting Ken and Terri Stewart. Ken and Terri are the people who are offing those exciting expeditions to search for this elusive creature.
After dinner, the team got a motel room and rested for the rest of our trip. Ken and Terri got a room at the same motel and we shared a few more stories and had more opportunity to develop a friendship with them.
Ken, Terri, and Tom out in front of our motel rooms.
Ken and Terri Stewart are fascinating people! They are truly international adventures. They have guided fishing tours around the world, they surf all around the globe... they have been affiliated with major snow board events and much much more! They have always been fascinated with "Bigfoot" and are currently offering an exciting and affordable tour for people who want to get out and attempt to search for this elusive creature with them! They have taken most of the rough edges off the experience by offing comfortable sleeping and eating arrangements on this expedition and guided foray into the wilderness!
Here is Jason, Tom, and Shawn in Portland Oregon
We dropped Brian off at his home and said our good byes. I (Java_Bob), have a favorite niece who lives right over the bridge from Portland, in Vancouver Washington, but we had been on the road now for over five weeks and the team was too tired to even stop by and say hello. If we left now, most of us could be home by 2am the next day and others could be boarding their flights home from San Francisco. We agreed it was time to head back, so we loaded the truck and headed south towards home and our families!
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