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The Secret From Arizona
THE STORY THAT GOT SFBI TO GO TO ARIZONA
The following is a series of emails from one of the Searching for Bigfoot Associate Members. It tells the story, as it happened, about the piece of physical evidence that we received and how it got us to send a team to Arizona to do what we do best… to begin SEARCHING FOR BIGFOOT!
I will be omitting some specific names and titles at the request of the people involved.Tom Biscardi was notified back in late June / early July by a resident of Arizona, Larry Jenkins. Larry shared his experiences with some type of unknown creature on some very rural property the Larry had purchased to build a hunting lodge on. Larry told Tom about a creature that would come to this isolated lodge and make strange noises, peek into the windows and generally harass him.
Larry also told Tom that this creature would leave foot prints that looked strangely human… Larry went on to share that on one occasion he followed these foot prints out into the brush. After a short hike away from the make shift lodge, he found a rather large log that had been overturned and the ground under it dug up. On closer inspection, Larry found what appeared to be a finger or toe nail. It was much darker than a human nail and exhibited an unusual curvature to it. He knew it was something very unusual, so he scooped it up and put it into a plastic bag.
On Tom’s request, Larry mailed the nail off to Tom, so that Tom could have it evaluated. Tom knows from experience that most competent DNA houses don’t want to get involved with anything that might be too controversial, so he asked one of our most trusted and respected Associate Members to send it out in her name.
In this way, there would be no reference to the concept of “Bigfoot” and it could be accepted strictly for what it is, a discovery, and not be associated with anything that could be considered controversial.
The Associate Member we chose is a very well respected and highly trusted woman who I will refer to as SL. SL is very well respected in her own right as a researcher in several fields, including the research of family trees and ancestry. We were confident that a new piece of physical evidence submitted by a person of her background would be taken seriously and not merely set aside by the scientific community.
Thus began the story that has taken us to the top of a mountain in some of the remotest areas in Arizona. We are camped up, from about 45 minutes to and hour from the nearest paved road, and another 18 miles from the closest town.
We begin with SL’s attempt to get some legitimate testing done on our biological sample. I will post some clips of the actual emails that were sent back and forth from our Associate Member, the University that did the work, and back and forth with Tom and I, (Java Bob):
Here is the physical evidence that started it all
The first email we received back from our SFBI Associate Member reads as follows:
“Can I plead a favor... that everyone in the Team and Associates keep the name of the University and Lab confidential... “
”Firstly, a Lab of this stature does not automatically take public requisitions... they are busy with government projects. I convinced the former Lab manager that this was a unique sample.
I had no's and no responses from many labs initially. We were blessed to get SSSSSS's participation.”
”Dr. HHHHH is not finished with the testing on the nail and if the media learns which University has conducted the test or has the nail, they will inundate them with phone calls. They clearly are not prepared to deal with that nor would they want that kind of publicity.”
If the Lab is forced to deal with that because we exposed their participation, I feel they may return the nail with no official report, in order to avoid further questioning/interest. They likely would never do any further testing for us in the future.”
”I believe we will find other material, including the creature itself. We (*currently) have credibility with this lab and I think we should protect that. (*Neither) The public nor the media do not need to know which University conducted the test. We can state it is ‘a highly regarded American University’. The report itself can be copied and all references to the University (its name, location, phone number, signatures etc..) can be blacked out if you wanted to display it.”
The first response to SL from the University
“Hi SL, We just completed sequencing the DNA from the fingernail.The primate part seems to be right, but not the non-human part... it came back to be 99% Homo-sapien or human. We sequenced a portion of the mitochondrial gene that is used for species identification. I will email you the sequence results.”
I would still like to pursue it a bit further - one of my colleagues is checking with an expert on non human primates to see if we need to sequence a longer piece of the DNA since there is a degree of relatedness that we need to consider. Also, the nail itself has a (*human like) curvature but the coloration is somewhat unusual.”
Where did you actually find the nail?
The following is the next email from SL to our office:
"Dr. HHHHH is being very careful about her wording, because clearly, this is perplexing to her. Note that she also comments that the nail has a human signature curve but appears different in coloration. This must be a thrilling discovery for her and the lab also."
"Recent improvements in DNA testing have found that chimps, are closest primates, share about 95/96% DNA with humans and not 98.5% as previously thought."
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2833-humanchimp-dna-difference-trebled.html
"So... as I believe this to be Sasquatch DNA, it would indicate that the creature is our closest genetic relative! That backs up all the reports that the creatures seem very human like and in some cases, too human to shoot. I do not know about you, but how many creatures are walking around the North American forests with 99% human DNA and 1% unknown primate? What else could it be... nothing!"
SL will be in correspondence with Dr. HHHHH, to try to get more clarification and keep us all informed....
The next correspondence from the University:
Hi SL,What the 99% means is that we are confident to that percentage that it is human we know that the non human primate DNA is very similar.
I will talking to a couple of other folks and will get back to you.
Was the nail the only item in the area?
Dr. HHHHH
SL's next email to Dr. HHHHH:
"Dr. HHHHH,"
If I am understanding you correctly...the DNA extracted from the nail is composed of 99% human genetic material, combined with 1% of, (at this point), unknown primate DNA?"
"My associate found the nail in a wilderness area, near the California Nevada border."
Please note the details of these photos.. they become important later!
The picture on the left is a Gorilla and the picture on the right is our sample.
More correspondence from SL;
"Chimps are the closest biological kin to humans, but share only 95% - 96% of DNA with humans, depending on whether the test uses chromosomal or mitochondrial DNA,(If this being shares 99% human DNA and 1% non-human primate, it would be an ape that is very, very human-like, more so than a chimp, and could very well be conjectured as the "missing link" between primates and humans so to speak)."
Dr. HHHHH head of the lab, consulted with various experts, including an expert on non human primates. She did not say from which institutions these experts were from. However, she also consulted with a Mammologist and stated that he or she was from SSSSS. She said that Mammalogist favored the nail belonging to a human..."
"The Dr suggested that she may send the sample to a Dr friend at the Smithsonian (I assume he or she had some valuable experience in some area?), but then decided to bring the analysis to a conclusion."
"Reading through the emails again, I see that the good Dr states (quote) the nail's non-human primate DNA is very similar to human'".
"She said that the lab had also compared the nail to primate nail photos and since the nail was not ragged, she concluded it was likely human in origin and that along with the 99% human DNA, brought her to the conclusion that it is of human origin. (We know from the pics I gathered that some primates do have nails that look manicured and this nail, even if it had been infected with fungus, does not have the coloration or natural thickness of a human nail). So... her conclusion of the nail being likely from a human is still conjecture because her lab's testing states that 1% of the DNA is unknown."
"The Dr said this nail was the cause of very stimulating academic discussions, with a number of different opinions weighing in. They did not obtain conclusive results from the first test, so they ran the test a second time (we know the tests were conclusive, they just could not accept what they were seeing, is my belief)."
The second test came back with the same results as the first... 99% Human and 1% unknown primate!
"Her last email (which I forwarded to you) makes it clear to me, that she is not absolutely certain that the nail is human, but in the absence of what it could be, bases her conclusion on logic."
"I will send you Tom, the transcripts of my email conversations with the lab. In addition, I had two short phone conversations with a lab employee and the Dr herself. The nail was first under analysis by the former lab manager (whom left midstream) then a standard lab technician. Dr HHHHH took over the analysis, I suppose when things got bizarre."
"So far, Dr DDDDD has not replied to my email for a further analysis."
The Searching for Bigfoot Team reviewed the information we received from the University and passed on from our own SL. We had some additional questions for the University and are currently awaiting their answers. Rob Price brought up the first major question... Rob asked, what is the chromosome count?
If we look at the DNA of a Chimp or Great Ape, vs a Human, we find only a very small difference in percent of DNA, however, Humans have 46 chromosomes, chimps and gorillas have 48.
The obvious question would be what is the chromosome count of our sample? Our Associate, SL has recently posed this question to the good Dr. at the University. The answer we have just received is as follows:
"Hi SL"
"...you need to have actively dividing cells to do a karyotype to count the number of chromosomes, blood is usually the best..."
"I just sent the fingernail and report off this morning - I must say it generated quite a bit of discussion - hard to let it go!!!"
"It was a great teaching exercise for the grad students."
"We kept some DNA and are going to determine sex for the nail and will let you know the result when we get it done."
"Thanks again for the unique opportunity."
It would seem that they still have some questions about our find. They have told us that the DNA and physical properties of the nail indicate that it is not human. Very close, but not human. However, I guess they also sent it to a "cosmetologist" who told them it was too well manicured to be anything but a human?
I guess that science doesn't make much difference to "scientists" if it makes them question the work they have done in the past.
Now, look again at the pictures of our Gorilla finger nail and our nail... Do you see a major difference in the manicure of either? I do not!
==READ MORE OF THIS DRAMA AS IT BECOMES AVAIABLE==
READ HOW OUR HIGHLY PROFESSIONAL AND ESTEEMED ASSOCIATE HANDLED A POORLY INFORMED OR PERHAPS IGNORANT "BLOGGER" WHO THOUGHT HE KNEW MORE ABOUT WHAT WE DO THAN WE DO;
”…I was responsible for the nail specimen's analysis. It was sent to the Laboratory intact, so that DNA could be extracted from the blood and tissue imbedded on the nail's cuticle-side surface…”
”…The analysis was completed by a highly regarded University, which has been under contract with the FBI and the Dept. of Game/Wildlife. The very qualified Dr heading the Lab completed the analysis herself, twice. She also sought several outside academic opinions in order to verify her findings, because of the extremely unusual nature of the test results…”
”…The specimen was properly handled during its chain of custody. To the best of my knowledge it was not contaminated with foreign DNA, nor did the Dr. conducting the testing find any indication or confirmation of contamination... “
”…At no time did I state to the Lab personnel that I believed the nail may have been a specimen from a Sasquatch. I did not want to color the direction of the investigation in any manner, so the Lab was advised only that a finger (or toe) nail was discovered in a remote south-west wilderness region and it looked human like, but did not appear to be human in origin...” “…Unknown to the Lab personnel, evidence of Sasquatch habitation was found in the vicinity of the nail's location, such as prints and a bedding nest…”
”…Test results concluded that the nail DNA was composed of 99% human DNA and 1% non-human, primate-like DNA. The Dr. went as far as to obtain photographs of various gorilla, orangutan, and chimp hands, in order to review them and determine if a match in nail similarity could be found…”
”…Your comments infer that you have experience with DNA testing, so I am sure then that you are aware that chimps share approximately 95% of their DNA with humans (when a mitochondrial analysis is conducted). The remaining approximate 5% of their DNA is naturally, what makes them ‘chimpanzee’. Logic would then dictate that our specimen's DNA results indicate the creature would be very human-like, but display some non-human (ape-like) primate characteristics. This creature would be closer to us in biological kinship than the chimpanzee... sounds like the numerous descriptions from eye witness reports of Bigfoot doesn't it?...”
”…Since there is obviously no confirmed Sasquatch DNA on file, the results must rest on the nail's origins being 99% human. It also should be said also, that a one per cent difference is still a vast chasm in the realm of DNA sequencing and can account for enormities in biological differences... therefore 99% human DNA does not make a human. (I also requested a chromosome count but was advised that actively dividing cells are required for a karyotype to count the number of chromosomes and that could not be completed with the dried blood from our specimen)…”
…”The transcripts posted on the SFB website are concise excerpts from only a few of the numerous emails and conversations, that transpired over a two month period. You are correct that the conversation is simple (amateurish as you describe), because I had requested that the Dr communicate her findings in layman's terms and she was kind enough to accommodate. I do not pretend to have an extensive knowledge of the DNA analysis process and therefore did not want to read inaccuracies into the results, because of confusion. I also respect the privacy of those that I correspond with, especially when people have careers to protect, so I did not wish to expose the names of the University or the Dr…”
”…The bottom line is, we have the written proof of all related statements we have made and of the test results from a highly credible, academic facility, so should circumstance warrant us providing proof we can do so…”
”…I have no intention of debating you regarding your accusations in this website…” “…I value my integrity and honesty is my preferred tool of choice..." (as for other statements made about the SFBI team) "...I found that those statements were either greatly exaggerated or made on conjecture by people whom were not privy to the facts…”
”… I can say that since I have known Tom, he has kept his word to me 100% of the time and has never failed to come through on his promises. The same can be said of Java Bob and Marco Bill…”
Written by JavaBob and Rob Price - posted by JavaBob
(*some words added to, or changed, to improve readability without changing content)
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